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On elections, absent voters, Samaras, Tsipras and Chrysi Avgi

Election swing leaves Greece teetering&?nbsp;

Election swing leaves Greece teetering? Certainly. And the teetering will last a long time because the politicians promised voters the impossible during the campaign, but they won't be able to deliver!&?nbsp;

The highly fragmented election results certainly won't produce a viable Greek government. Worse yet, the smaller Greek parties that have no chance of governing are making the situation worse by ranting against the European bailout program, hoping their ranting will give them a bigger slice of the Greek vote in the next elections, that won't be far away -- if not very soon! But German Chancellor Angela Merkel has made it clear that there won't be any renegotiation of the existing bailout package, and foreign lenders who lost $103 billion of their investments to "Greek bailout haircuts" won't accept more losses.&?nbsp;

The Greek austerity measures are like the boulder of Sisyphus. The Greeks won't be able to push it over the top, and get out of their austerity cave, either now or in the near future, no matter whom they vote for.&?nbsp;

Nikos Retsos, retired professor&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Yesterday strikes back&?nbsp;

Thank you for a very informative article on Greek politics and political parties.&?nbsp;

The key words are "our society is unused to issues of cooperation and compromise".&?nbsp;

It is not only the politicians and people involved in public life that must learn to cooperate.&?nbsp;

It is also society. We must learn to cooperate and take responsibility for our actions and promises.&?nbsp;

Dina Hatzipavlu
Nederlands&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Greek elections&?nbsp;

So Mr Tsipras has rejected any overtures from ND. And of course he wants the cancellation of the austerity measures and the "barbaric" memorandum (his words).&?nbsp;

My questions to him and his coalition are: Where were your voices and protests at the barbaric lying and thieving politicians, barbaric borrowing, barbaric overspending, barbaric fiddling of the books, barbaric corruption, barbaric tax evaders, barbaric bloated civil service? To name but a few.&?nbsp;

It's easy to now win votes by being anti-everything, playing on your fellow citizens' anger, but can you deliver any better than your predecessors? I seriously doubt it.&?nbsp;

Go ahead, undo all that's been agreed with the troika, reverse the PSI haircut, tell Europe to shove it, and see how far you get.&?nbsp;

As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for....&?nbsp;

Mary-Ann Faroni
Zurich&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Time to reap what you sowed&?nbsp;


If the people of Greece are not capable of electing a party that will reform the country, Europe should toss the country out of the euro zone. There is no negotiating with terrorists and that, people of Greece, is what you have become to the rest of the world. Through your own ineptitude and corruption you have created the equivalent of a financial bomb, a bomb with which you now have the audacity to blackmail the rest of the world.&?nbsp;

You and you alone are responsible for this situation. You who don't pay taxes. You who have family and friends employed in silly public sector jobs. You who belong to militant and destructive unions that strangle business activity. You have created this mess.&?nbsp;

In America, we have an official policy of not dealing with terrorists. As a strong power, this is the only way to prevent pathetic groups from exploiting us on a regular basis. You are the pathetic group, Greece. Not because God created you that way, but because of your culture and the choices you have made. There can be no rewards for terrible behavior. The best hope the world has to prevent future cheats and liars is to force such people to reap the bitter crop which they have sowed.&?nbsp;

Peter O'Hara&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Mr. Samaras&?nbsp;

When I learned this morning from my Greek colleagues that Mr. Samaras would be granted only three days to form a government, I thought that it was quite a tight deadline for such a complicated election result. I had German politicians in mind that sometimes need several weeks before they are able to agree on a coalition program.&?nbsp;

I imagined, naive as I am, that Mr. Samaras would get not too much sleep the next three days as he would have to speak with at least five possible other parties. Discussing, arguing and fighting for a compromise and a common program in order to form a government that would serve the vote of the country best.&?nbsp;

Well, I obviously underestimated the abilities of Mr. Samaras as he was able to do "whatever possible to form a government" within just half a day.&?nbsp;

I would find it more than fair that with the right to form the government being transferred to Syriza now, the 50-bonus seats would be transferred as well.&?nbsp;

Mr. Samaras and ND don't need them anymore.&?nbsp;

Sebastian Schroeder
Patra&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Papademos?&?nbsp;

Are you on some kind of drugs? Greece does not need a technocrat; Greece needs to take care of its people first and the rest of Europe second! Greece needs to renegotiate its bailout and interest rates. Greece needs to repay its private bondholders immediately.&?nbsp;

Angie Venizelos&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


What I actually meant&?nbsp;


Maybe half of Finnish people and politicians think that the money we give to Greek is not actually going toward helping Greeks but to some bankers.&?nbsp;

The euro would destroy you. The euro is only a tool to absorb all your resources and enslave you. It is going to turn you into a third world country. If you choose well, I believe that Spain will be the first European third world country.&?nbsp;

Mikko Keranen&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


The striking 40% of absent voters and other mysteries&?nbsp;


To a foreigner, on top of the huge abstention in a crucial election, a few points of the elections strike me particularly: 1) Isn't it amazing that while two months ago we read 65% of Greeks were for the euro, yesterday an article polled the post-election popularity of the new second party of Greece, SYRIZA, at 40%, while Venizelos is mentioned as the favourite would-be prime minister? “Strange" is a euphemism, since the young leader of the upcoming (apparently!) party says he will search among his allies on the left of the political spectrum: of course anti-euro parties; and -- if successful -- that means a Eurozone exit (which I am sure Eurozone countries will find a" bonus", and huge relief at this point, of course!) 2) As amazing to me is the fact that my Greek friends yesterday -- as Samaras after one day abandoned trying to form a coalition government -- did not expect anyone succeeding better than him, and even argue that no leading politician -- at this point -- would like to be elected PM; and that Greece was heading for new elections this summer...&?nbsp;

Can any editor explain the absent large %? And after (what seems to me to be more than a one-time protest vote against ND & Pasok) what are the current odds of this or that scenario? At the moment, I repeat, whatever their very different political convictions, from old to young, incredibly all my Greek friends think that -- in the end -- nothing has changed or will change! Are they all dreaming? Even the ones who voted left argue they failed!&?nbsp;

Marc Sursock
Geneva, Switzerland&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


A true lesson of current global financial debacle&?nbsp;


People everywhere owe an unprecedented debt of gratitude to the voters in your beautiful country who voted against the strictures of the outdated Western modes of thought utterly detonated by the current global depression. Here I refer to those precepts emanating from the insidious, pervasive doctrines of Cartesianism. Your peoples have demonstrated that abstractions, whether in so-called economics, or law, have limits, and election results such as yours, demonstrate that a people may throw off their shackles without detriment to their nation. Greece should now move swiftly to return to the drachma, to declare its putative obligations to global finance null and void, to wholeheartedly embrace principles of nationhood and human institutions based on a renascent adherence to the wisdom of Montaigne's Essays. Salutations to Greece from Rhodes Vessels.&?nbsp;

Rhodes Vessels
USA&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Strong left-wing vote makes me ashamed to be part Greek&?nbsp;


It is utterly disgraceful that a Maoist party, Syriza, now has the opportunity to form a government in Greece and embark not only on the complete dechristianisation and denationalisation of the country but its complete economic destruction as well. Considering that so many Greeks in Greece are fascinated with Marxist-Leninist-Maoism then they should speak to survivors of the north Korean famine and Pol Pot's murderous regime in Cambodia or Vietnamese boat people as to what to expect if they want left-wing governance. Perhaps the residents of Macedonia should brush up on Slavic and Albanian and those of Thrace and the Aegean islands on Turkish so as to prepare themselves for the ultimate and inevitable national leftist betrayal.&?nbsp;

Carl Yorke
Canberra&?nbsp;&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Re: Chrysi Avgi&?nbsp;

Firstly let me say that I am not a member of any Greek political party, just an observer. I was totally disgusted prior to the Greek elections that a registered Greek political party was banned by the mainstream Greek media on the grounds that they are Nazis, Neo Fascists; so much for democratic free speech. CA describe themselves as "Greek Patriots." CA achieved an amazing electoral result.&?nbsp;

CA is the result of the failures of PASOK and ND to guard the borders for the last 20 years and prevent crime in the centre of Athens. The Interior Ministry has publicly stated that 70% of all crimes in the centre of Athens are committed by illegal immigrants. In recent polls 60-80% of Greeks want the illegal immigrants out. We are now told by the Interior Ministry that between 100 and 300 illegal immigrants enter Greece every day. Illegal immigrants need to be deported unless there are genuine asylum claims.&?nbsp;

How much air time did Democratic Alliance, the Ecological Greens and LAOS get on mainstream Greek media prior to the elections? And now all three are out. And lastly, the term "far right" is more appropriate than Neo fascists or Neo Nazis.&?nbsp;

George Salamouras&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Dolphins and turtles dying&?nbsp;

As long as obviously nobody cares when, especially fishing boats "change" oil in open waters and dump their trash in the sea, the answer to the reason of dead animals washed ashore is not so difficult. Greeks and especially the responsible authorities will have to dramatically change their approach.

R. Zelenka&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Blind egos&?nbsp;

It's not hunger that has got Greece these stupid election results but blind egos. All of Greek history for the last 100 years has been about Greeks refusing to acknowledge the reality of the world. Greeks took on Britain for the control of Cyprus at a time when Britain needed the "aircraft carrier" to control the Middle East, and, then in the eighties took on America who was at war with the Soviet Union to remove bases from Greece. NATO created the "Macedonian Republic" to counter Greek stupidity and blindness. Was there any Greek who was not shouting “Yankee go home"? The Greek left had the option of migrating to Russia, but they all migrated to the capitalist countries. Why?&?nbsp;

The Greek child-like perception and mind games about how the world should behave and the gibberish about the Germans said this and the French said X, are nothing but blind stupidity.&?nbsp;

Where does the perception that other countries are obligated not to look after their own interests come from? If Greeks do not look after themselves no one else will.&?nbsp;

The refusal of Greeks to look at the world and face reality is the only problem Greece has.&?nbsp;

Greeks need to sow and reap to get the crop they want. If we Greeks sow rocks we will get rocks for a harvest, and we will have to feed rocks to our children.&?nbsp;

Stupid Greeks have stupid politicians.&?nbsp;

Why would any sane man or women go into Greek politics when the country only wants stealing monkeys? The politicians delivered what every Greek wanted, now there is no more to steal, and, half the country is threatening suicide.

The stupidity of every person that has been voted in is clearly shown by the refusal to form a government. Real governments are about tax collecting, maintaining infrastructure and hospitals to wipe people's bums. The vulnerability of Greece is of no concern to the political egos.

The Emperor of Japan, to keep himself grounded to the reality of life, every year he rolls up his sleeves goes into a muddy field and plants a crop of rice with his own hands.&?nbsp;

Most Greeks let alone the politicians look down on people who get their hands dirty.&?nbsp;

Every Greek needs to remind the people they have voted for they want the country to function and stay alive as a state. Please do not make Greece another Cyprus.&?nbsp;

Charilaos Lithoxopouilos&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Manners & logic&?nbsp;

A big deal was made about the Chrysi Avgi people asking people to stand up when the leader came into the room.&?nbsp;

I was taught it was good manners to stand up and greet a person entering the room, even if I may not agree with their political views.&?nbsp;

It was sad that someone had to organize the journalists as if they were badly taught children.&?nbsp;

The embarrassing state of Greek manners is sent worldwide with every TV station showing a dumb blonde, supposedly interviewing someone, organises everybody to speak altogether, and, when someone actually starts saying something logical, cut him off with a disdainful look.&?nbsp;

I may not agree with anything a politician says, but he was elected, my showing bad manners to such a person reflects more about me than his political views.&?nbsp;

The first thing that should happen in the near future is to stop sending bad Greek manners to the whole world to see via the internet TV. The world is dirty enough without Greece sending its dumb blondes to the rest of the world to make them vomit.&?nbsp;

Charilaos Lithoxopoulos&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Alexis Tsipras&?nbsp;

This is a coming man in politics. Young and from a party newly formed without the taint of corruption. He could lead Greece into a new era and for all his rhetoric about the eurozone keep the country inside the Euro.&?nbsp;

Patrick Warwick
Pollonia, Milos&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


ND and PASOK are solely to blame for the mess we find ourselves in and radical parties rising to power&?nbsp;


Because the two main parties, utterly, utterly failed at ruling this country the way it should be, to reach its true potential... instead, PASOK/ND were so busy bribing, pillaging, squandering and wasting that we now all find ourselves in a sinking ship.&?nbsp;

PASOK/ND ministers, and the left, should all be hung, and if this is found too barbaric a sentence, imprisoned for life. The suicides are on their hands...&?nbsp;

Lionel Luthor&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


EU & IMF vow to continue budget checks&?nbsp;


They must be daft, dumb or just plain stupid if they think that budgets work under Greece's political system. Greek politicians and the state they created have no system, no budgets, no control, no checks and balances. Greek politicians... scoundrels, thieves, liars and not to be trusted at all!&?nbsp;

Lionel Luthor&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


OK, no memoradum but what next&?nbsp;


Thank you for a very informative article. The situation is exactly as it is described. Let all the leaders of all political parties discuss the situation with the troika. And I mean discuss, not walk away.&?nbsp;

And then tell the people the truth. We do not like it but it is a fact. We might change this memoradum a little but not a lot.&?nbsp;

Dina Hatzipavlu
Netherlands&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


OK, down with the memorandum, but ...&?nbsp;

I just cannot grasp it. Syriza and other "leftist" parties seem to focus on the memorandum, i.e. on closing the gap between Greece's earnings and Greece's spending, in return for continued financial help by the other European states.&?nbsp;

So, the memorandum seems to be the main problem?&?nbsp;

I thought, leftist parties in all countries of the world usually want to take money from their own rich people and transfer it to their poor ones.&?nbsp;

With this, too, Greece seems to be a special case.&?nbsp;

In order to act like a normal leftist party, Syriza and others shoud be supposed to center on developing an efficient taxation system in Greece, in order to accomplish exactly what all socialists all over the world try to do.&?nbsp;

I have not heard much about that in the election campaign. If the Greek leftists' major focus is the memorandum, instead of tapping the financial resources of rich Greeks, then this amounts to one thing plain and simple: They want to continue the traditional Greek policy of making foreign countries pay, not their own well-off compatriots.&?nbsp;

Europe will say "No, thank you" to this impertinence.&?nbsp;

Heinz Stiller
Berne, Switzerland&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Five hours&?nbsp;


That's the total amount of time Mr. Samaras expended in trying to form a government in these crucial times. One phone call to each party leader, and that was that. That's all it took for Mr. Samaras to give up. After five hours of trying. Mr. Samaras is behaving like a spoiled child who doesn't get what he wants and leaves the game. I hope Greek voters remember this if they head back to the polls in a month.&?nbsp;

Nick Kanellos&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


Yesterday strikes back&?nbsp;


The voters made it clear on Sunday that they wanted a coalition of all parties, not just the two powerbrokers, PASOK and ND, who had completely ruined their country by their actions and corruptions.&?nbsp;

Why does it seem so difficult for the politicians to sit down together and work out the best possible solutions to the conditions in Greece? The voters have made it clear that they do not want the 'me first' tantrums of Samaras.&?nbsp;

If all parties joined together to solve the economic conditions facing Greece, their cooperation would automatically negate any extreme claims made by any one party.&?nbsp;

We have become so obsessed by the 'one party' state that we have forgotten that all viable decisions, whether in the USA, UK, Germany, etc., are all agreed by consensus, not by dictatorship.&?nbsp;

As a European, it seems to me that Greek politicians have to learn to operate in the world of cooperation, and forget the world of competition&?nbsp;

Kelvyn Richards
Trikala&?nbsp;&?nbsp;


People not voting?&?nbsp;


Many people in Greece do not vote where they live.&?nbsp;

The phobia of the minorities in certain areas retains a system where one may live in Athens for twenty years, yet one votes in an area 1000 km away.&?nbsp;

If money is a little tight and one is disgusted by the politics of Greece, the number of people voting is reduced. The Greek political sysytem has reached the lows of the USA, where the majority of people have so little faith in the honesty of the system that they do not vote.&?nbsp;

Charilaos Lithoxopoulos

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